Here's a post from David describing the adventure of replacing our master bath toilet. Let's just say, we're thankful we have a spare bathroom for situations like these. -- Elizabeth
Ever since we moved here, actually, ever since we first saw
this place, we wanted to replace the toilets. They seemed very low and between
rust stains and lack of cleaning by the previous owners, they were pretty
disgusting.
Master bath toilet |
Trust us, we used everything we could to get the bowl clean. |
The tank wasn't much better. Can we get a collective, "Ewwww!"? |
Don’t know why, but it seems that it is not an uncommon practice
in Belize. So the first step was to root it out of the cement.
After draining the tank and toilet, I started chipping the
concrete away. It seems that the installer had used something very hard – not
your normal cement – to keep it in place. Maybe hydraulic cement? My chisels
kept slipping between trying to get under the bowl and the very hard cement.
Eventually I cracked the porcelain of the bowl footing. So I just beat it crack
silly until I could remove the bowl. That made my chipping life much easier.
You do what you gotta' do to get a toilet bowl out from cement |
Again don’t know why, but whomever installed it put the
toilet 1½” below the floor. No wonder it seemed low to us. And not only that,
the soil pipe was 16” from the wall, standard is 10-12” Don’t know why they
wanted the toilet so far from the wall; it obviously wasn’t to make it easier
to clean.
So I cleaned out all the porcelain chips I’d made and was
ready to install the closet flange (the plastic bit that is supposed to be
what the toilet is mounted to).
Typical closet flange |
However, the previous owners saved money by not using a flange and just
cemented the toilet in, presuming it would never have to be replaced, which seems to be
their modus operandi for all things built into this house.
However before mounting the closet flange, the floor needed
filling to support the new toilet at floor height. Now as this was a Sunday, the
only store that sold cement I could find open was Cinty’s (always an adventure
unto itself!) and they only carry 100lb bags! I needed about 5 lbs and my back
and age no longer permit hefting 100lbs of anything. So I had the store guys put it in our SUV.
When I go it home, I used a board to slide it into the wheel barrow to get it near where I was
going to mix it. For those in the States, you cannot buy concrete mix in
Belize, just cement, you have to add sand and gravel to make concrete. (We had
a bit of sand, the dogs think it’s a beach under our palapa, and some gravel, but
not enough, so I threw in some porcelain chips, of which I had plenty).
Made up the cement mixture and threw it in the hole, making
it level with the floor. Okay, so now I’m ready to install the toilet closet
flange -- well not really. I had seen an offset flange at the hardware store,
so I decided to try it to move the toilet a couple of inches closer to the
wall.
Offset flange |
Got the offset flange only to discover that it needed the soil pipe to be
1½” lower than it currently was. So the next problem to solve was how to lower
the rim of the soil pipe.
I measured down the correct distance and put a number of
pencil marks around the interior of the pipe, yes, I stuffed a rag into the
pipe to combat the malodorous air wafting forth. After thinking about how to
lower the pipe, encased in concrete, the proper distance, I went back to
chisels and hammer to beat a slot around the outside of the pipe.
Then looking
at my tool selection, the only one I had to cut the pipe was my Dremel tool. I
carefully cut the pipe around the inside. The problem here is that the Dremel
spins so fast that it melts the plastic pipe back together as one cuts. Using some wedges, eventually I
got the top of the pipe off. Okay, so now we are ready to install the offset flange – well not really.
Whomever installed the pipe had again saved money by
using the thinnest walled pipe available. The concrete poured after the pipe
was laid had deformed the pipe out of round! So out to the shop I went to sand
the flange sufficiently to get it to enter the pipe.
That done, I beat – for 20 minutes – the flange into the
pipe, hoping that it wouldn’t split the pipe. As luck would have it, it didn’t
split. Okay, so finally the flange is in place, the wax seal is on, and the rest is a piece of cake. Well not really! The flange bolts that secure the toilet to
the flange are supposed to be brass, so they won’t rust. The only flange bolts
available here are brass-plated steel. One has to cut off the top of the bolts
after installing the toilet in order to place the caps over the nuts and
washers to make a neat job of it. So off to my shop to retrieve my hacksaw. Now
whomever designed toilets never thought it
might be installed next to a wall (a convenient thing if one wanted to mount
toilet paper nearby).
So after much ado and sweat (and 3 different sizes of
hacksaws), I finally got the top of the bolts off, put the caps on, and the base
of the toilet was installed. Time for a drink.
Okay, so installing the tank is really a piece of cake – well not
really! Boy this is getting old.
Bronte doing a quality control inspection of the toilet tank |
Actually the mounting of the tank wasn’t a
horrible experience. Of course the instructions (all in Spanish) left out
several details, but eventually I got it on, the way I think it should be, and
started to fill it with water.
It was taking a long time to fill, but I assumed it was also
filling the toilet bowl as well as the tank. I couldn’t see any leaks so I
thought it was all good, just a bit slow. Being the patient guy that I am, I
filled a bucket with water and dumped it into the tank. Water gushed out of the bottom of the tank. Time for a
drink and a bit of clean up – “Oh Elizabeth, I could use a hand here.”
Off to the hardware store to explain the issue. I thought the tank and bowl were mismatched.
They had another tank and bowl like the one I bought, only in off-white. (They
only buy one of each item here in Belize and don’t order another until that one
is sold). I showed that the problem was between the
gasket at the bottom of the flapper valve outlet and the toilet base was
at least ½”, not really a water-tight seal.
The gasket came in the kit -- water inlet valve, float, flapper outlet valve, handle, screws and gaskets – they sold me with the toilet. They were confused and didn’t know how to solve the problem. The owner’s son happened to show up while they were in their dilemma as to what to do. He said he had a bigger gasket from another kit at their other store which would solve the problem. I followed him to the other store only to find out he didn’t have it at all. But could order it and it would be here in a couple of days. So we have a nice looking, very clean, chair-height toilet installed but can’t use it --- grrrr!
Even Bronte knew something was amiss! |
The gasket came in the kit -- water inlet valve, float, flapper outlet valve, handle, screws and gaskets – they sold me with the toilet. They were confused and didn’t know how to solve the problem. The owner’s son happened to show up while they were in their dilemma as to what to do. He said he had a bigger gasket from another kit at their other store which would solve the problem. I followed him to the other store only to find out he didn’t have it at all. But could order it and it would be here in a couple of days. So we have a nice looking, very clean, chair-height toilet installed but can’t use it --- grrrr!
So after a few visits to the hardware store in the ensuing days, they agreed to
take my phone number and call me when the gasket arrived. Six days later, I got
the call. Yeah. I trundled off to the store to pick up the gasket. It was the
right size for the toilet base, however way too big for the flapper valve exit
port. I dragged the owner up the steps to the toilet display area and explained
the issue. He said that he understood and he had the right sided exit tube kit
– at the other store and called them to have it ready for me. And I trundled
over to their other store. Indeed they had the kit ready for me and the new
gasket fit, but before leaving, I decided to check out if it would fit the
tank. Well not really!
I dragged the guys up to this store’s toilet display
area and showed them that it wouldn’t fit the tank they had sold me. "Oh", they said. Oh? So one of the guys went in
the back and brought out a different tank. Hallelujah, it fit! All this time
and frustration was because by them not ensuring that the tank and toilet base
were actually matched. And the newly discovered tank had all the right pieces
and parts all ready installed and boxed straight from the factory.
Took the new tank home, took off the old tank, installed the
correct tank in about 15 minutes. Filled it up, no leaks, flushed perfectly.
Done at last. If only they had known what they were selling, we would have had
a nice working toilet a week ago, and little frustration for me. Ah, Belize,
you gotta love it.
So this is our simple toilet replacement saga, I’m sorry
that I didn’t take more pictures of the process, but I was rather preoccupied
with stopping leaks and finding parts.
Here it is, complete, and a happy couple can flush with glee,
at last.